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The Walther model1and 2 self loading 22 rifles

The Walther self-loading rifles Model 1 and 2

 

These interesting rifles have been manufactured mainly in the 1930’s in Germany by Carl Walther.

Sadly we couldn’t find any more detailed information on production numbers and exact time frame.

But there seems to be some confusion on the model designations.

We’ve seen both variants designated as either Model  1 or 2.

But we will stick with the manufacturers designation as used in our video linked at the end of this post.

The Model 1 with sliding tang safety, shorter stock (fore end), shorter thinner barrel and folding type rear sight.

The Model 2 with 3 position lever type safety, longer military type stock (fore end), heavier longer barrel and sliding type rear sight graduated up to 200m.

 

http://www.carlwalther.com/hunting.htm

Model 1

http://www.carlwalther.com/images/r_modell_1.jpg

Model 2

http://www.carlwalther.com/images/r_modell_2.jpg

And here the parts diagram as shown in the video from the same website:

http://www.carlwalther.com/views/ev_r_modell1.htm

 

Here independently from safety (all sliding tang safety) called Model 1 or 2, depending on stock/barrel configuration:

https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/52342-158-397/

WALTHER MODEL 2. SN 38667

WALTHER MOD 1. SN 12152

WALTHER MODEL 2. SN 11193

Since it is possible to combine upper and lower receiver of each model with each stock/barrel combo, there either might have been some mixed parts models coming directly from the factory or they were later assembled that way from leftover parts.

We will stick with the designation as used in the original parts diagram linked above.

 

Walther Model 2 (in the video incorrectly referred to as Model 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75zay8n0So

 

WALTHER Model 2 (actually Model 1) No. 35654 (muzzle threaded)

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/auktion/hhm59.pl?f=NR_LOT&c=1411&t=temartic_S_D&db=kat59_s.txt

 

Walther Model 2 (actually a Model 1): No. 5658

https://www.icollector.com/Walther-Mod-2-22-LR-mag-fed-bolt-action-semi-auto-Rifle-w-20-bbl-either-manually-operated-repeat_i20797156

Walther Model 2: No. 14448

https://www.icollector.com/Walther-Mod-2-22-LR-cal-mag-fed-bolt-action-semi-auto-Rifle-w-24-bbl-unusual-Walther-design-can_i20797157

The highest serial number on  the Model 1 we’ve seen is 35654 and on the Model 2 it’s 38667 (see above – if it is a Model 2).Which would indicate that both models were manufactured parallel. Not as sometimes claimed first the Model 1 and later the Model 2.

The extension on the hammer of the Model 1 is also an indicator for both models being manufactured at the same time. Otherwise why would you introduce a feature like that on the “first manufactured”model where it doesn’t serve any purpose?

 

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Walther 1Pic 2

Walther 2Pic 3

Walther 3

Model 2 rear sight graduated in varying steps of 20, 25 or 30 meters.

Pic 4

Walther 4

Pic 5

Walther 5Pic 6

Walther 6Pic 7

Walther 7

Such oldies should not be used with modern HV ammo. In this case CCI Mini Mags Varmint.

I use these in all semi-autos that won’t work reliably with other .22 ammo.

The shells bulged pretty “nicely” in the feed ramp area.

In the demo video standard velocity ammo was used and worked just fine.

Additionally it’s not the most rugged design. The bolt assembly is stopped on it’s rearward travel by the bolt handle hitting against the upper receiver. That can cause the bolt handle (brazed/soldered to the bolt carrier) to break off.

Pic 8a

Walther 8aPic 8b

Walther 8b

Lower receiver Model 1 (below) and on top the Model 2 with the lacking cut-out for the sliding safety.

Pic 8c

Walther 8c

Model 1, upper, lower, barrel.

Pic 9

Walther 9

Rear end of the barrel damaged by firing pin protruding too much (dry firing with empty chamber).

Model 2 left, Model 1 right.

Pic 10

Walther 10

Upper receiver assembly. Model 2 left, Model 1 right, with newly made firing pin assembly.

The Model 1 bolt here also has an additional cut-out parallel to the firing pin channel which brings the weight of the bolt assembly down from 156g to 147g. This Model 1 also features a shorter recoil spring.

The Model 1 bolt uses a bearing ball instead of the plunger at the Model 2. Not sure if done at the factory or a simple replacement after the original plunger got lost.

Pic 11

Walther 11

Rear side of the bolt assembly. Model 1 on top, Model 2 below.

Pic 12

Walther 12

A 9 shot magazine (left side) and a 5 shot magazine (right side) was available for both rifles.

The 9 shot magazine is missing the base plate lock plate and the spring doesn’t seem to be original since it is fully compressed after loading 7 rounds. We’ll find another one that gives us the full magazine capacity.

Pic 13

Walther 13

How it all started. Front part of firing pin made from  the shank of a 9/64 drill bit, the rear part from a broken file.

 

Hope you enjoyed it!

Making/editing the video, doing the research on these rifles and writing the post was way more time consuming than making those spare parts.

 

6 comments to The Walther model1and 2 self loading 22 rifles

  • Robert Benson

    The one I fired was in about 80% condition the bolt speed seemed slower than that of other 22 semi automatic rifles I had shot. The gun functioned well just seemed slow. Bob Benson

  • K.T. Locke

    Very cool. At this point in my life, I only have one “Unicorn” .22 That is a BRNO ZOM-451 straight pull. Back in the early 90’s a gun shop out on Long Island called Burns Bros. had a rack full of them. But by the standards of the time, they were expensive…($250 when you could get a Ruger 10/22 for $99) so, like the dumb ass I was 25 years ago, I passed on them. DAMN those dried up FAST!! They were around at shops and shows for only about 2 years.

  • Dan E

    novel 22s are a hoot. the optional bolt action operation is cool, I want to copy that in some form.

  • David W

    Many thanks indeed for all the time and trouble you’ve gone to in posting this blog. Here in the UK I’ve been the lucky owner of Model 1 serial 45607 for the past thirty years and at last I know what the lug on the hammer is for!

    Unfortunately, mine is out of action with a broken breech after the right hand guide lug failed along an old fatigue crack. I’ve made strikers and striker levers before but this is well out of my league. So far, I’ve managed to make some sketches but the only precision engineering company (in Liverpool) I’ve approached has said that it could be made but they didn’t have anyone with the necessary skills!!
    I’m hoping you may have some advice about recreating the breech including what steel to use if I can find anyone willing to have a go. Unless anyone has a spare of course…..

    Meanwhile I have a spare 5 shot magazine carcase which might be of use to someone, though it lacks the follower, spring, lock and base plates. It has damage to the rear face where someone has filed a new notch to hold it just out of its seat but it’s not visible when in use. Free to good home!

    Great blog, wish I’d found it years ago!

  • David W

    Many thanks Chuck, Could I PM you re axel’s reply?

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