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Sunday Answer 1-18-15

This is the bolt and bolt carrier for the Cetme model L.

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DSC_3533csIt is part of the kit that I received from Apex gun parts.

https://apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/5057

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DSC_3539csI also bought some of there magazines.

It is a interesting looking gun and one that I am looking forward to build in the future.

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7518234_origTo this end a start has been made. As always the first step is to design the receiver so we can make stamping dies. A great deal of work has been accomplished toward this goal. Now it is necessary to get the last few measurements that we don’t currently have. So here are the solid models as they currently look.

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4aStill working on the internal block and how to convert to semi-auto only to meet ATFE requirements.

It looks like a fun project and is on the list,but have the finish the VG1-5 first and a solid model project for our friend back east. I am thinking a 3 or 4 die stamping die set.

 

Part 2 of weekend update 1-12-15

I did not finish the weekend update for last weekend so I thought I would fill you in on everything else that was accomplished. As you know we went out shooting on Saturday and then came home and cleaned the guns that we used. Come Sunday morning Axel made the fatal mistake of asking is there anything he could do to help. This a typical work list that I start on the Monday after the weekend to help plan for the next weekend.

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My wife jumped on that right now. We had problems finding ammo from the ammo rack so it was time to reorganize and check everything. Axel, with normal Teutonic efficiency, tackled the job. You can see the kind of disaster we were dealing with.

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Every can was removed from the rack and opened then labeled.

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DSC_3519sTalk about a fun day, WOW.

While they were having way to much fun doing this I decided to take it easy and lounge around by the wood shop. The new conduits needed to be laid for electricity for my wife’s a/c in the office, who would have thought that she did not want to work in a room that was 120 in the heat of the summer. The trench was cleaned out an bedded in sand.

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DSC_3500sThen the conduit that was  here was set in place.

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DSC_3507sThe 4″ conduit will be put in next weekend.

My son wanted the spot welder moved to machine shop in 2 and that was accomplished.

DSC_3527sFinally all the ammo was organized and stored based upon caliber.

DSC_3524sWe ran out of label material so temporary labels were made. But still organized.

DSC_3526sThe moral of the story around here is not to voluntary for work because we can find you something to do.

 

what is it Saturday 1-17-15

This one should be easy.

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Gardner Gun Manual

Today’s post is going back to the Gardner Gun. These are a series of manuals for both the Pratt& Whitney and the British/Dutch manuals.

 

Pratt & Whitney Gardner Gun Manual

Dutch Gardner manuals

British Gardner manual (b/w)

British 2-barrel Gardner manuals (1886 & 1894)

British 1-barrel and 5-barrel Gardner manuals

Interesting Spanish pistol

On my trip through the mid-west I had a great opportunity to look at a number of great gun collections. At one of the stops I had a chance to come across a unique Spanish pistol. The pistol is not the unique part but the magazine is. It is a double column magazine that was developed in the late 1920’s. This is the write up from Wikipedia information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama_firearms

Ruby Plus Ultra

The Ruby Plus Ultra was made between 1928 and 1933. It was an improved version of the earlier Ruby but had a 20-round double-stack magazine. Models with an extended 140 mm barrel, but standard length slide were available, as were models with selective fire capability. These features were most popular in the Asian market, and sales to both Chinese warlords and Japanese pilots are recorded. These were not purchased officially by the Japanese forces, but as private purchase weapons through the Japanese equivalent of the Army and Navy Stores. During the Spanish Civil War volunteers in the International Brigade also favoured these early high-capacity weapons.[3]


This is a write up by my friend John D.:

Believe the Plus Ultra had a longer production span than the Wikipedia article states: actually 1925 to 1937, possibly early 1938.  Gabilondo dramatically improved and revised their products in the wake of lost French ‘Ruby’ pistol contracts at the end of WW I to keep their facilities occupied.  The Plus Ultra was introduced with a number of other updated Gabilondo products in 1925.  Never saw Gabilondo material describing it as a ‘Ruby’ either, just Plus Ultra.  Ruby name may have been attached to this pistol by sellers downstream, but Gabilondo was trying to live down the WW I Ruby pistol’s dubious reputation.  It may even have been an attempt to get in on the French RFQ for high capacity handguns which birthed the Browning High Power and the Petter SACM 1935 / SIG P.210.  Or it possibly stimulated the French to RFQ a high capacity handgun!  Regardless, it is the first production handgun with a double column magazine in the grip and there are several references to it in official French military correspondence.

The Llama trademark was registered in 1932 and Plus Ultra pistols were never sold under the Llama brand name, so most authors quote 1933 – the year Llama branded pistols entered production – as the terminal date.  But Gabilondo and their many ‘affiliates’ continued to make and sell non Llama brand pistols into the Spanish Civil War.  You find considerable usage of these pistols by Republicans in the Spanish Civil War and these pistols were not generally available within Spain before the Civil War so there were no stocks on hand.  Firearms parts production in the Basque region only ended with its capture by Nationalists in the middle of 1937.  Assembly operations continued into early 1938 under Nationalist control until parts stocks were exhausted.  Basque region firearms production converts to Spanish standard models under the Nationalists, but their unique designs do not resume production until after the Nationalists vanquish the Republicans in 1939.

There is some confusion over the magazine capacity of these pistols.  My pistol’s magazine holds – and functions well – with 20 rounds of 7.65x17mm, but does not function with 22 rounds although you can stuff it with 22 rounds.  Might be an issue with the semirim on the 7.65x17mm cartridge – the semirims seem to hang up in the case extractor grooves when the magazine holds 22 cartridges.  Spanish 7.65x17mm ammunition may not have had as pronounced a semirim as American produced .32 ACP ammunition.  This is how the 9x23mm Bergman/Largo cartridge evolved from the .38 ACP/Super cartridge.  My pistol might also have a limp magazine spring, Spanish spring steel metallurgy of this era is pretty sad.  Gabilondo reportedly advertised the pistol as having 20, 21, or 22 round capacities during its life.  They might have made some changes to the follower during production, but all the Plus Ultra pistols I saw at Interarms in the 1970’s (where they all entered the USA – from Thailand of all places!) had the same grip frame dimensions and the magazines were interchangeable.

Now on to the Pictures:

The complete pistol first.

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DSC_1425sYou will notice that the pistol grip is longer and the barrel is slightly longer as well.

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Now to the magazine.

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DSC_1426csThe front of the magazine.

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The view of the follower.

DSC_1430csThe bottom.

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An interesting pistol.

Updating the Vulcan V18

I just received an e-mail from a friend in southern Arizona concerning the Vulcan V18. You have seen my write up in a past post and Ian’s post on the Vulcan V18 so you know what we this of this piece of cr@p. Really it is truly junk. Well the good news is that it is saveable. Rick at http://ar180s.com has managed to save it. Of course he had to go through the entire gun and fix it. In addition he changed out the lower receiver and added a new stock, but he made it work. That’s more then can be said about Vulcan arms. You really need to see his write up here: http://ar180s.com/?p=189#comment-11

I like his fix so much that I am going to do the same thing with mine. Just think finally a V18 that works. Read his write up. It’s very good.

This is the original version.

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DSC_3514csand a close up of it.

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and this is his over haul of the rifle.

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V18-10sThis looks like a fun and reliable rifle. Check out his post. It is worth your time

Taking some time off for fun

There was a small machine gun shoot this last Saturday and with my friend Axel in town my wife convinced me to go and take a day off. We had a great time and Axel as well as myself got to do some shooting and have a little fun. This is the video I did of Axel shooting, unfortunately I did not get the video of him shooting the full auto Sudanese AR-10. That rifle is just way to much fun standing up in full auto. He was a hazard to low flying aircraft.

 

Something interesting happened at the shoot and that is you should always check what kind of ammo you are shooting. A friend bought a large number of reloads and partial boxes of factory 38 special. After he finished shooting it a strange case was noticed on the ground.

DSC_3489csIt was a 32-20 fired in a 38 special chamber.

DSC_3490csIt was easy to make the mistake if you are not checking each and every round.

DSC_3491csI also got to shoot a Knight Armament 308 rifle with suppressor. What a great gun I just wish I had the money to buy one.

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A great time was had by all and I am glade I took the day off.

Sunday answer

This magazine is the shorten version for the silenced Chinese sub machine gun.

20140811_691249This is a look at the larger magazine that was issued with this weapon.

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This is the Sub machine gun.

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What is it Saturday

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VG1-5 magazine release button.

In this post we are going to show you how the magazine release button is made. We start with a laser cut washer.

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DSC_3394sThen run them through the pressing tool that forms them to the shape we need.

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DSC_2597sAfter this step they look like this.

DSC_3395sOne hundred later and this is what it looks like.

DSC_3397sHere is a video of the process.

 

Once they are formed then they are riveted to the threaded button. This is the picture of the button.

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DSC_2601sAfter this they go to welding and then to finishing.