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Weekend update 1-19-15

Well it was another fun weekend around Gun Lab. This was the list I worked out during the week to be completed this weekend.

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The 4″ conduit was run around the wood shop as well as the rest of the 2″ and 1″ and we buried it in preparation for the next phase.

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Sand pile is reduced a little.

DSC_3599sThen some maintenance issues were address in the shop. The first was an air leak due to a valve failure.

DSC_3549sIt was removed and capped, I will paint it next weekend.

DSC_3558sI needed to move some equipment around to have better flow and a little more room. The first thing was my son’s tool box. It was relocated to the cnc room.

DSC_3554sTo do this the 1″ belt sander was moved to the fab shop as was it’s parts table. Next the die room was re-organized. This is the way it use to look.

DSC_3570sThis is how it looks now. The spot welder was moved in and set up to do all the welding on the VG1-5.

DSC_3577sThen the Webb, Allan- Bradley, and the Wells-Index machines were set up to run parts, as well as the Haas machining center.The Webb was set up to drill out the cocking handle for the first op.

DSC_3612sThe set up was just a basic vise with thin parallels and a spring separating them with a vise stop to  for proper positioning.

DSC_3542sAll the handles were then completed and de-bured on the drill press.

DSC_3604sThe Well-Index was set up to re-tap the cross pins deeper.

DSC_3550sWe used a 5-C collet closer and a tap-a-matic to finish this job.

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They are all completed now.

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The Allen -Bradley was set up to ream the buffer pin holes slightly larger to prevent binding.

DSC_3547sWe made a special fixture for this.

DSC_3548sThey too are also now completed.

DSC_3559sThe Haas was set up to complete the screw slots on all the stock and hand guard screws. Unfortunately, I broke the last small end mill before we could complete the project. More have been ordered but have not arrived.

DSC_3567sA lot of screws to do.

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DSC_3569sFrom here I went to the fly press. A siding needed to be put on it to prevent the chips from flying on the shelves and it need to be re-leveled and have the adjustable levelers re-moved. This is what it use to look like.

DSC_3544sAfter leveling.

DSC_3571sAnd then with the new siding.

DSC_3580sOnce these tasks were finished I started the first stamping op for the fire control housing.

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DSC_3546sHowever, I just ran out of steam and did not finish all of them.

DSC_3602sI did manage to move all the exercising out and over to a friends house that wanted it. This also was way to much fun.

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Thanks that I had heavy equipment skates and jacks.

DSC_3574sEven with that equipment it still a lot of work. This is the first load.

DSC_3575sThe second load was just a single piece of equipment.

sIt now cleared out an area to allow me to expand the wood shop.

DSC_3600sWhile this was going on Axel was back and smarter this time so he took over as Arbeitsschuts or better known here as OSHA. He deemed that the stairs to the guest house needed non slip covers.

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DSC_3607sA better view.

DSC_3608sI think it is color codded as per some German guide line.

The upper stairs.

DSC_3609sHe and my wife worked on the last of the ammo re-organizing as well. This was the start.

DSC_3541sAnd the finish.

DSC_3610sIn and among all this fun I had a friend bring over his Beretta Model 38A to have me fix it and I did, sorry forgot the pictures. And another friend brought over a 22 rifle that would not cycle. Axel fixed this. Cute little semi-auto.

DSC_3583csA close up of it.

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I did get a little time in the wood shop. I started on the backing for the radial arm saw.

DSC_3598sSo all in all not a bad weekend.

 

Sunday Answer 1-18-15

This is the bolt and bolt carrier for the Cetme model L.

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DSC_3533csIt is part of the kit that I received from Apex gun parts.

https://apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/5057

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DSC_3539csI also bought some of there magazines.

It is a interesting looking gun and one that I am looking forward to build in the future.

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7518234_origTo this end a start has been made. As always the first step is to design the receiver so we can make stamping dies. A great deal of work has been accomplished toward this goal. Now it is necessary to get the last few measurements that we don’t currently have. So here are the solid models as they currently look.

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4aStill working on the internal block and how to convert to semi-auto only to meet ATFE requirements.

It looks like a fun project and is on the list,but have the finish the VG1-5 first and a solid model project for our friend back east. I am thinking a 3 or 4 die stamping die set.

 

Part 2 of weekend update 1-12-15

I did not finish the weekend update for last weekend so I thought I would fill you in on everything else that was accomplished. As you know we went out shooting on Saturday and then came home and cleaned the guns that we used. Come Sunday morning Axel made the fatal mistake of asking is there anything he could do to help. This a typical work list that I start on the Monday after the weekend to help plan for the next weekend.

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My wife jumped on that right now. We had problems finding ammo from the ammo rack so it was time to reorganize and check everything. Axel, with normal Teutonic efficiency, tackled the job. You can see the kind of disaster we were dealing with.

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Every can was removed from the rack and opened then labeled.

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DSC_3519sTalk about a fun day, WOW.

While they were having way to much fun doing this I decided to take it easy and lounge around by the wood shop. The new conduits needed to be laid for electricity for my wife’s a/c in the office, who would have thought that she did not want to work in a room that was 120 in the heat of the summer. The trench was cleaned out an bedded in sand.

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DSC_3500sThen the conduit that was  here was set in place.

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DSC_3507sThe 4″ conduit will be put in next weekend.

My son wanted the spot welder moved to machine shop in 2 and that was accomplished.

DSC_3527sFinally all the ammo was organized and stored based upon caliber.

DSC_3524sWe ran out of label material so temporary labels were made. But still organized.

DSC_3526sThe moral of the story around here is not to voluntary for work because we can find you something to do.

 

what is it Saturday 1-17-15

This one should be easy.

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Gardner Gun Manual

Today’s post is going back to the Gardner Gun. These are a series of manuals for both the Pratt& Whitney and the British/Dutch manuals.

 

Pratt & Whitney Gardner Gun Manual

Dutch Gardner manuals

British Gardner manual (b/w)

British 2-barrel Gardner manuals (1886 & 1894)

British 1-barrel and 5-barrel Gardner manuals

Interesting Spanish pistol

On my trip through the mid-west I had a great opportunity to look at a number of great gun collections. At one of the stops I had a chance to come across a unique Spanish pistol. The pistol is not the unique part but the magazine is. It is a double column magazine that was developed in the late 1920’s. This is the write up from Wikipedia information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama_firearms

Ruby Plus Ultra

The Ruby Plus Ultra was made between 1928 and 1933. It was an improved version of the earlier Ruby but had a 20-round double-stack magazine. Models with an extended 140 mm barrel, but standard length slide were available, as were models with selective fire capability. These features were most popular in the Asian market, and sales to both Chinese warlords and Japanese pilots are recorded. These were not purchased officially by the Japanese forces, but as private purchase weapons through the Japanese equivalent of the Army and Navy Stores. During the Spanish Civil War volunteers in the International Brigade also favoured these early high-capacity weapons.[3]


This is a write up by my friend John D.:

Believe the Plus Ultra had a longer production span than the Wikipedia article states: actually 1925 to 1937, possibly early 1938.  Gabilondo dramatically improved and revised their products in the wake of lost French ‘Ruby’ pistol contracts at the end of WW I to keep their facilities occupied.  The Plus Ultra was introduced with a number of other updated Gabilondo products in 1925.  Never saw Gabilondo material describing it as a ‘Ruby’ either, just Plus Ultra.  Ruby name may have been attached to this pistol by sellers downstream, but Gabilondo was trying to live down the WW I Ruby pistol’s dubious reputation.  It may even have been an attempt to get in on the French RFQ for high capacity handguns which birthed the Browning High Power and the Petter SACM 1935 / SIG P.210.  Or it possibly stimulated the French to RFQ a high capacity handgun!  Regardless, it is the first production handgun with a double column magazine in the grip and there are several references to it in official French military correspondence.

The Llama trademark was registered in 1932 and Plus Ultra pistols were never sold under the Llama brand name, so most authors quote 1933 – the year Llama branded pistols entered production – as the terminal date.  But Gabilondo and their many ‘affiliates’ continued to make and sell non Llama brand pistols into the Spanish Civil War.  You find considerable usage of these pistols by Republicans in the Spanish Civil War and these pistols were not generally available within Spain before the Civil War so there were no stocks on hand.  Firearms parts production in the Basque region only ended with its capture by Nationalists in the middle of 1937.  Assembly operations continued into early 1938 under Nationalist control until parts stocks were exhausted.  Basque region firearms production converts to Spanish standard models under the Nationalists, but their unique designs do not resume production until after the Nationalists vanquish the Republicans in 1939.

There is some confusion over the magazine capacity of these pistols.  My pistol’s magazine holds – and functions well – with 20 rounds of 7.65x17mm, but does not function with 22 rounds although you can stuff it with 22 rounds.  Might be an issue with the semirim on the 7.65x17mm cartridge – the semirims seem to hang up in the case extractor grooves when the magazine holds 22 cartridges.  Spanish 7.65x17mm ammunition may not have had as pronounced a semirim as American produced .32 ACP ammunition.  This is how the 9x23mm Bergman/Largo cartridge evolved from the .38 ACP/Super cartridge.  My pistol might also have a limp magazine spring, Spanish spring steel metallurgy of this era is pretty sad.  Gabilondo reportedly advertised the pistol as having 20, 21, or 22 round capacities during its life.  They might have made some changes to the follower during production, but all the Plus Ultra pistols I saw at Interarms in the 1970’s (where they all entered the USA – from Thailand of all places!) had the same grip frame dimensions and the magazines were interchangeable.

Now on to the Pictures:

The complete pistol first.

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DSC_1425sYou will notice that the pistol grip is longer and the barrel is slightly longer as well.

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Now to the magazine.

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DSC_1426csThe front of the magazine.

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The view of the follower.

DSC_1430csThe bottom.

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An interesting pistol.

Updating the Vulcan V18

I just received an e-mail from a friend in southern Arizona concerning the Vulcan V18. You have seen my write up in a past post and Ian’s post on the Vulcan V18 so you know what we this of this piece of cr@p. Really it is truly junk. Well the good news is that it is saveable. Rick at http://ar180s.com has managed to save it. Of course he had to go through the entire gun and fix it. In addition he changed out the lower receiver and added a new stock, but he made it work. That’s more then can be said about Vulcan arms. You really need to see his write up here: http://ar180s.com/?p=189#comment-11

I like his fix so much that I am going to do the same thing with mine. Just think finally a V18 that works. Read his write up. It’s very good.

This is the original version.

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DSC_3514csand a close up of it.

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and this is his over haul of the rifle.

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V18-10sThis looks like a fun and reliable rifle. Check out his post. It is worth your time

Taking some time off for fun

There was a small machine gun shoot this last Saturday and with my friend Axel in town my wife convinced me to go and take a day off. We had a great time and Axel as well as myself got to do some shooting and have a little fun. This is the video I did of Axel shooting, unfortunately I did not get the video of him shooting the full auto Sudanese AR-10. That rifle is just way to much fun standing up in full auto. He was a hazard to low flying aircraft.

 

Something interesting happened at the shoot and that is you should always check what kind of ammo you are shooting. A friend bought a large number of reloads and partial boxes of factory 38 special. After he finished shooting it a strange case was noticed on the ground.

DSC_3489csIt was a 32-20 fired in a 38 special chamber.

DSC_3490csIt was easy to make the mistake if you are not checking each and every round.

DSC_3491csI also got to shoot a Knight Armament 308 rifle with suppressor. What a great gun I just wish I had the money to buy one.

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A great time was had by all and I am glade I took the day off.

Sunday answer

This magazine is the shorten version for the silenced Chinese sub machine gun.

20140811_691249This is a look at the larger magazine that was issued with this weapon.

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This is the Sub machine gun.

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What is it Saturday

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