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		<title>Making a Hotchkiss Portative tri-pod</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>After the last machine gun shoot with the Hotchkiss I made a decision that what was really needed for this gun is a tri-pod. I did a post a while back about ideas for the tri-pod, http://gunlab.net/hotchkiss-portative-tri-pod-ideas/, but now I am on to the project, in my spare time of course.</p> <p>I was down on [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the last machine gun shoot with the Hotchkiss I made a decision that what was really needed for this gun is a tri-pod. I did a post a while back about ideas for the tri-pod, http://gunlab.net/hotchkiss-portative-tri-pod-ideas/, but now I am on to the project, in my spare time of course.</p>
<p>I was down on a job a week ago in Tucson and when I finished I stopped by Omega, Don Bell&#8217;s shop, to say high and check in on him. While I was there I came across this little beauty that Don offered to me at a really good price,free, for the project.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8569cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5645" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8569cs-300x292.jpg" alt="DSC_8569cs" width="300" height="292" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8568cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5644" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8568cs-300x175.jpg" alt="DSC_8568cs" width="300" height="175" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8570cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5646" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8570cs-300x158.jpg" alt="DSC_8570cs" width="300" height="158" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8571s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5647" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8571s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8571s" width="300" height="200" /></a>The pintle support prior to cleaning.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8595s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5648" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8595s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8595s" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>With a basic set that was with in my price range I could not say no. It is a Chinese tri-pod for a recoiless rifle.</p>
<p>The first step in the process was to clean all the rust off and paint a coating of primer on it.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8604c.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5649" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8604c-300x295.jpg" alt="DSC_8604c" width="300" height="295" /></a>With the tri-pod back together for a quick photo op. I kind of like the look.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8611cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5650" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8611cs-300x224.jpg" alt="DSC_8611cs" width="300" height="224" /></a>It will require a yoke and cradle of some type.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8612cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5651" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8612cs-300x188.jpg" alt="DSC_8612cs" width="300" height="188" /></a></p>
<p>I wanted to paint it the same color as my Vickers, a Syrian desert brown.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8609s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5707" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8609s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8609s" width="300" height="200" /></a>A close up of the color.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8610s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5708" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8610s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8610s" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>I lost out to my wife and went with basic black.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8689s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5709" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8689s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8689s" width="300" height="200" /></a>This is after the first coat. A couple of more coats this coming weekend</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8690s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5710" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DSC_8690s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8690s" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>The first part to solid model is the pintle support&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pentel.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5652" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/pentel-300x156.jpg" alt="pentel" width="300" height="156" /></a>with this part complete I could start working on the basic pintle design.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/yolk.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5653" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/yolk-300x155.jpg" alt="yolk" width="300" height="155" /></a>This is all that I have left after the new computer ate the rest of the solid models. Actual it is not much of a loss as I was going to change the basic design from what I started with.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 08:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It has been a while since I have posted a what is it. I was up in the container cleaning up and looking for parts for a project I was working on this last weekend and came across this. It is a casting of some kind of mount. Some machining has been performed but it [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a while since I have posted a what is it. I was up in the container cleaning up and looking for parts for a project I was working on this last weekend and came across this. It is a casting of some kind of mount. Some machining has been performed but it is far from complete. I am trying to determine the weapon that it goes to. Any help would be appreciated.</p>
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<p>I picked this up years ago when I bought and imported a large quantity of parts out of England.</p>
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		<title>Hotchkiss Portative tri-pod ideas</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I own a Hotchkiss portative machine gun and with it now fully operational it has become one of my favorites to take to the shoot.</p> <p></p> <p>My biggest complaint with it is that I just don&#8217;t like getting down into the dirt to shoot it. The butt stock is uncomfortable to use and the little [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a Hotchkiss portative machine gun and with it now fully operational it has become one of my favorites to take to the shoot.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_6857s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5396" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_6857s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_6857s" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>My biggest complaint with it is that I just don&#8217;t like getting down into the dirt to shoot it. The butt stock is uncomfortable to use and the little tri-pod that came with it is really useless.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8251cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5483" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8251cs-246x300.jpg" alt="DSC_8251cs" width="246" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8252cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5484" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8252cs-249x300.jpg" alt="DSC_8252cs" width="249" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8253cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5485" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8253cs-246x300.jpg" alt="DSC_8253cs" width="246" height="300" /></a>A close up of the yoke.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8255s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5486" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_8255s-300x200.jpg" alt="DSC_8255s" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>On of my personal projects that I have been working on is designing a new tri-pod for it. I use to own a 1914 French Hotchkiss and let it go a number of years back, a mistake but we all do it. So I have taken four different paths in the design of a new tri-pod for my weapon. There is always the original British design for an adapter to a  Vickers tri-pod.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_1048s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5471" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_1048s-300x199.jpg" alt="IMG_1048s" width="300" height="199" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_1049s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5472" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_1049s-300x199.jpg" alt="IMG_1049s" width="300" height="199" /></a>Actually this just looks like a great deal of work and really complex. The patterns to make the bronze castings would take a great deal of time to work out then the fixtures necessary to machine it would be numerous.</p>
<p>Then there is the idea of designing the patterns to cast a new yolk assembly based upon the Hotchkiss 1914 machine gun and the French 1907 St Etienne.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hotchkiss7.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5473" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hotchkiss7-300x232.jpg" alt="hotchkiss7" width="300" height="232" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0545.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5474" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0545-300x171.jpg" alt="IMG_0545" width="300" height="171" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0615.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5475" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0615-300x225.jpg" alt="IMG_0615" width="300" height="225" /></a>This is a project I might tackle once the cnc router is up and running after the other major projects are completed.</p>
<p>The third idea is one that I found on the internet. It uses a yoke from a Hotchkiss portative and attaches it to a Vickers tri-pod. It is an interesting idea, but I really want something a little lighter and generally when I go to a shoot I usually bring my Vickers as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/scan_Page_1s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5487" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/scan_Page_1s-300x232.jpg" alt="scan_Page_1s" width="300" height="232" /></a>So this leads us to the forth and final concept I am thinking of. This is using the concept of the Vickers-Maxium light machine gun tri-pod. It could be done by making an adapter to use the original yoke assembly and attaching it to a new column. The idea would be something like this.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0009c.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5477" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0009c-236x300.jpg" alt="IMG_0009c" width="236" height="300" /></a>This yoke would be changed to use an original</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSCF2180cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5482" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSCF2180cs-270x300.jpg" alt="DSCF2180cs" width="270" height="300" /></a>I would modify the legs so they would fold back against the sides.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0011c.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5478" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0011c-300x258.jpg" alt="IMG_0011c" width="300" height="258" /></a>A rear basic traversing set up</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0014s.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5481" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0014s-300x199.jpg" alt="IMG_0014s" width="300" height="199" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0013cs.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5480" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0013cs-300x199.jpg" alt="IMG_0013cs" width="300" height="199" /></a>The elevation set up would have a handle to make it easier.</p>
<p><a href="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0012c.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-5479" src="http://gunlab.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_0012c-276x300.jpg" alt="IMG_0012c" width="276" height="300" /></a>  It would not be done by the up coming shoot, but by the end of the year if I can find any time.</p>
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